Why Windows Vista isn’t ready for geeks

Robert Hallock (Thrax) This article was supposed to be about streamlining Vista, but I've been thwarted. Games wouldn't run, applications wouldn't install, and a slew of Vista options could not be disabled even if it would've helped the PC's performance or my sanity; it all just went to hell. Here's why geeks should leave Vista on the shelf until it gets its act together.

March 19, 2007 12:00 AM ET in Articles, , ,


This article was supposed to be about streamlining Vista. My goal was to poke through the
registry, service list, control panel and computer management panel to find,
document and tweak anything that would make Vista run a little bit better and then benchmark 3D programs on a streamlined
copy of Vista against XP. However, I’ve been thwarted. Games wouldn’t run, applications wouldn’t install, and a slew of Vista
options could not be disabled even if it would’ve helped the PC’s performance
or my sanity; it all just went to hell.

I do not have a slouch of a computer, and the following hardware yielded a 5.6 out of 6.0 on the Windows Experience Index:

  • Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 running at E6750 speeds (a “safe” speed, as opposed to the 3GHz+ I usually run it at)
  • 2GB OCZ PC-8000 Platinum (at 1000MHz DDR)
  • NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
  • Asus P5B-Deluxe

The peripherals are all SATA DVD burners and disks, eliminating the need for any legacy hardware controllers. Essentially, it’s a very fast and ultra-modern PC. Again, it’s no slouch, and it had no trouble running the pretty parts of Vista, nor does it have issues running any game I’ve tossed at it when I run XP. Running those games on Vista, on the other hand, was like trying to turn the sky purple.

Where did my troubles begin?

Installation

Partitions

The average user’s system won’t have multiple operating system partitions. Despite this, any serious OS shouldn’t have an issue supporting it. Unfortunately, that seemed like a tall order for Vista.

My computer’s storage consists of a single Western Digital 320GB SATA-II hard drive with three partitions:

  • Partition 0 (C:\) – Windows XP, 5GB (Flagged as a primary partition)
  • Partition 1 (D:\) – Storage, 278GB (Flagged as an extended partition)
  • Partition 2 (E:\) – Windows Vista, 15GB (Flagged now as a primary partition)

Prior to this article, E:\ was simply a blank and unformatted section of disk
space that I kept for experiments such as this or my secret and short-lived
affair with Ubuntu Linux. Suffice it to say, installing Windows Vista on my
hard drive required me to format the partition to do anything else. That’s where
the trouble began. Upon formatting the 15GB free space that Windows Vista would
go to, the Vista installer tossed up a BSOD that was so brief I couldn’t make
heads or tails of it.


Naturally, when you’re performing any hard disk operations
and Windows gives you a blue screen, you begin to worry. I ran a full suite
of diagnostic utilities, including Hitachi DFT and Memtest, on my PC (which is
less than six months old), just to make sure that nothing was at the point of
failure. It wasn’t. Therefore, the blue screen had to do with the Vista installer.
Booting back from the Vista disc, Vista had indeed carved out the 15GB I had
requested, but it also saw fit to randomly swap partition types of C:\ and D:\.

Partition 1 was now flagged as the primary boot partition, and Partition 0 was
now flagged as an extended partition. This means that the BOOT.INI file nestled
in C:\ referred to a primary partition that no longer existed, and boot files
that were no longer valid because there was no master boot record on that partition
to access. Windows Vista had rendered my Windows XP installation unbootable,
and made it so the next installation of Windows to Partition 0 would drop all
the boot files into Partition 1 where they should not be.

Because I backed up daily, I could rest easy when I reformatted Partition
0 to install XP again. This installation of Windows XP had one purpose, and
that was to give me time to install Acronis
Disk Director
to fix Vista’s shenanigans with my partition table.

The installation
of XP went smoothly, of course, and Disk Director gave me the ability to flag
all the partitions as the proper type. While I was in that copy of Windows,
I deleted all the files off of partition 1 that should not have been there:
ntldr, ntdetect.com, pagefile.sys and boot.ini. Booting back off the Windows
XP disc revealed a partition map that was correct: Part0 was finally C:\ again,
and Part1 was D:\. I put the second installation of XP in four hours on my drive,
got it patched and up to snuff, and went back to Windows Vista.

Drivers

The SATA-II drive I’m using
prefers the SATA controller be run in AHCI mode to provide optimal disk performance, hot-plug functionality, power management
features and more. The choice is presented in the BIOS: Run it in IDE-emulated
mode, which is easy at the expense of drive throughput, or run it in AHCI mode
which is is more feature-complete, but requires you to load drivers from a flash
drive in the Vista installation. I decided that I would load my flash drive
with the AHCI SATA drivers from Intel, using the newest AHCI driver package
for the Intel P965 Express chipset. I made sure I snagged the right ones: Windows
Vista Ultimate 32bit drivers.

I restarted the Windows installer and told it
to load drivers from USB so I could continue installation, but Windows Vista
would not accept the first set of drivers I downloaded. Redownloading the package
and copying the same files to the flash drive again yielded drivers
Windows Vista accepted, but Vista reported that it could not verify the SATA
controller as being capable of dual-booting, so the installation could not continue.
Eventually, I had to relent and change the hard drive back to IDE-emulated mode,
losing all the benefits of my SATA-II drive in Windows Vista. A later registry
hack
allowed me to enable this feature, but this feature should have worked
the first time, in the Windows installer.

Installer

At this point, the Windows Vista installer took off running, and provided a
pretty fast and prompt-free installation experience. It’s nice that Microsoft
has cleaned up the intimidating text-mode setup featured in NT, 2000 and XP in
favor of a full GUI for the entire process; it makes it easier for everyone
(Not to mention faster) to click your way through the entire ordeal. The last
stage of installation has Windows Vista benchmarking your hardware to determine
if your system is capable of running Aero
Glass
and the Windows Sidebar. Prior to this section, you have to configure
your user account. You supply the name, the password, the user icon and so forth,
and Vista immediately logs these changes into the OS.

Proceeding to the benchmark
section means your user account has been created, and if the benchmark crashes,
you must start over and supply a new user account that you will not use because
one has already been made. The benchmark crashed two of three times I attempted
to run it, and that means I had the user account that I really wanted (The one
I specified the first time), and two more accounts that I would later have to
delete because they were worthless to me. Finally, however, the installation
finished and dropped me at the Vista desktop with Aero enabled.

Streamlining Windows Vista

While we were ultimately unable to test the results of our streamlining process,
we did manage to document all the changes we made to the operating system to
reduce the memory footprint by nearly 200MB on a fresh boot,
as well as reducing the page file impact from 607MB to 368MB, both of which
are considerable physical and virtual memory savings.

The biggest sin of Vista’s
bloat comes in the form of 125 system services, a large majority of which come
enabled on a fresh installation, which would explain why a fresh boot of Vista
after installation had 532MB or 26% of my available memory taken just to run
itself. The minor issues come in the form of the sheer processor overhead required
to maintain these services, and the Windows Sidebar which took up to 40MB of
RAM to run the default gadgets.

Streamlining Ultimate Vista’s Services

The goal of this section is to describe what each and every service
in Windows Vista does, and what you should do with that service either to increase
performance, or to maintain features you wish to use on your PC. Pay close attention
to services that are flagged with (n) notations, as these control parts of Windows
I may have found pointless, but you may find very important to your daily workflow.
The startup type column is the most important, and that’s where you tell Windows
Vista what to do with the service when the OS first loads. To change the startup
type, access the service list by hitting WINDOWS LOGO+R on your keyboard, then
typing services.msc and hitting enter.

This process list assumes
several things:

  1. You have a hardware firewall, such as a router, or use a software firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Black Ice Defender or Commodo Personal Firewall.
  2. You’ve disabled the auto-run feature of Windows Defender by double-clicking
    its icon on the system tray, have gone to the tools button, and disabled all
    the options for automatic scanning. Failing to do so will yield errors when
    Windows starts.
  3. You are not connected to a domain of any kind and that you are not employing
    group policies.
  4. You do not use a dialup connection and have a router if multiple computers
    need access to the internet.
  5. You have atleast 1GB of RAM.
  6. You perform your own system backups either by file (such as Cobian
    Backup
    ) or via a hard drive image (such as Acronis
    True Image
    ).
  7. You do not use a smartcard of any kind to authenticate on a PC, network,
    or domain.
Service Name Service Description Startup Type
Application Experience Provides support for legacy programs (So far, not necessary) Manual
Application Information Allows the running of tools from administrator level Manual
Application Layer Gateway Service Allows 3rd party ICS tools Disabled
Application Management Allows the installation of group policies Disabled (Manual if you encounter problems)
Background Intelligent Transfer Service Facilitates the operation of Windows Update Manual
Base Filtering System Provides the core functions for the Windows Firewall Disabled
Block Level Backup Engine Service Provides support for the Windows Backup features Disabled
Certificate Propagation Allows the use of smartcards Disabled
CNG Key Isolation Assists in the storage of passwords and WLAN configurations Manual
COM+ Event System Provides a common software interface for RAM/HDD management Manual
COM+ System Application Allows configuration and tracking of COM+-aware applications and events Manual
Computer Browser (1) Stores a list of LAN PCs for speedy network access Disabled
Cryptographic Services Provides verification of Windows Update, drivers and installable package
security certs
Manual
DCOM Server Process Launcher Provides similar features to COM+ System Event Automatic
Desktop Window Manager Session Manager (2) The backbone to Aero Glass Automatic
DFS Replication Allows the propagation of files in a distributed file system environment Disabled
DHCP Client Allows the automatic configuration of network addresses on LAN PCs Automatic
Diagnostic Policy Service Verifies that an application has been installed correctly Disabled
Diagnostic Service Host Piggybacks on the above service and provides common functions Disabled
Diagnostic System Host More application diagnostic services! Disabled
Distributed Link Tracking Client (3) Keeps track of shortcuts and mapped folders across a network Disabled
Distributed Transaction Coordinator No one is quite sure what this service really does Disabled
DNS Client Locally caches the .COM/.NET/etc domains for IP addresses. Resource drain. Disabled
Extensible Authentication Protocol Necessary for
802.11x WiFi security
and VPN connections
Manual
Fax (4) Provides faxing functions from Windows Vista Disabled
Function Discovery Provider Host (5) Facilitates Media Center Extender functions, such as XBOX streaming Disabled
Function Discovery Resource Publication No one is quite sure what this does. FD Provider Host still works properly
without this
Disabled
Group Policy Client Allows the configuration of security and features. This is a core, required
Windows service
Automatic
Health Key and Certificate Management Allows the configuration of x.509 protocols Disabled
Human Interface Device Access Allows multimedia keyboard buttons to work Automatic
IKE and AuthIP IPSec Keying Modules Provides the common functionality to IKE/IPSec protocols Disabled
Interactive Services Detection No one is quite sure what this does Disabled
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) Allows your PC to serve as a software router Disabled
IP Helper (6) Provides IPv6 support Disabled
IPSec Policy Agent Allows an administrator to define security policies for an IPSec-enabled
network
Disabled
KtmRm for Distributed Transaction Coordinator No one is quite sure what this does Disabled
Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper (7) Creates a map of available network computers and resources Disabled
Microsoft .NET Framework NGEN Allows .NET libraries to be accessed and run on the PC Manual
Microsoft iSCSI Initiator Service Allows iSCSI devices to run and be accessible on a Windows Vista PC Disabled
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider The Microsoft backup feature depends on this service Disabled
Multimedia Class Scheduler Gives system priority to audio services. This is a core, required service
of Vista
Automatic
Net.TCP Port Sharing Service No one is quite sure what this does Disabled
Netlogon Allows you to connect to a domain controller Disabled
Network Access Protection Agent Allows a network Administrator to control the network via definable performance
metrics
Disabled
Network Connections Facilitates a list of dialup (ISDN, 56k, VPN) connections Disabled
Network List Service Maintains a list of network connections Automatic
Network Location Awareness Stores information related to network deices and features Automatic
Network Store Interface Service Absolutely required for any internet connectivity. This is a core, required
service of Vista
Automatic
Offline Files Maintains and stores webpages you’ve flagged for offline access Disabled
Parental Controls (8) Allows an administrator to configure parental controls and lockouts Disabled
Peer Name Resolution Protocol Allows Microsoft-specific Peer2Peer name assignment and resolution Disabled
Peer Networking Grouping Allows Microsoft-specific Peer2Peer networking Disabled
Peer Networking Identity Manager Allows the storage of Microsoft-specific Peer2Peer identities and accounts Disabled
Performance Logs and Alerts Maintains a log of critical system failures, service starts/stops, etc.
Resource drain after a while
Disabled
Plug and Play Automatically configures devices inside and connected to the PC Automatic
PnP-X IP Bus Enumerator Manages a virtual network bus Disabled
PNRP Machine Name Publication Service No one is quite sure what this does Disabled
Portable Device Enumerator Service (9) Necessary for synchronizing MP3 players to Windows Media Player Disabled
Print Spooler Provides the ability to print Disabled
Problem Reports and Solutions CPL Support Allows you to report system/program crashes to Microsoft Disabled
Program Compatability Assistant Service No one is quite sure what this does. Legacy apps and files still run with
this disabled
Disabled
Protected Storage Prevents multiple accounts from accessing account-specific folders Automatic
Quality Windows A/V Experience Facilitates the qWAVE protocol Disabled
ReadyBoost Provides additional HDD cache via a compatible flash drive Disabled
Remote Access Auto Connection Manager Some ISPs may require this service, but having a router eliminates the
need for this service
Disabled
Remote Access Connection Manager Manages 56k and VPN connections Disabled
Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Virtually every program and service on the PC requires this Automatic
Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Locator Manages internal RPC names. No one is quite sure what this service does Disabled
Remote Registry Allows internet connections to your registry. Disabled
Routing and Remote Access Allows users to connect to your PC Disabled by default
Secondary Logon Allows programs to be loaded under an alternate user with alternate permissions Disabled
Security Accounts Manager Allows for the application of group policy. This is a core, required service
of Vista
Automatic
Security Center The system tray icon that displays the status of Windows Update, and AV/AS
protection
Disabled
Server (10) Facilitates file and print sharing Disabled
Shell Hardware Detection The auto-play popup upon the insertion of a flash drive, CD or DVDs Disabled
SL UI Notification Service Allows you to activate licensed software Manual
Smart Card Allows authentication to networks and resources via smart card Disabled
Smart Card Removal Policy See above Disabled
SNMP Trap Allows the monitoring of network devices if they support SNMP logging Disabled
Software Licensing Absolutely required to activate Windows and maintain the functionality
of the control panel
Automatic
SSDP Discovery Permits the configuration of UPnP devices. Potential security breach Disabled
Superfetch Pre-loads often-used programs and files into memory for fast access. Major
resource drain
Disabled
System Event Notification Service Notifies other applications of COM+ events Disabled
Tablet PC Input Service You’re probably not reading this article on a tablet PC Disabled
Task Scheduler Allows the automatic running of checkdisk, defrag, and other scheduled
tasks
Automatic
TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper (11) Allows you to connect to LAN machines by name instead of IP address Disabled
Telephony Allows support for 56k, celluar modems via USB and CDMA/GSM PCMCIA adapters Disabled
Terminal Services Allows remote desktop and apps to run in local windows Disabled
Terminal Services Configuration Provides support for the above service Disabled
Terminal Services UserMode Port Redirector Allows network port remapping Disabled
Themes Provides the new Aero interface Automatic
Thread Ordering Server Not much is known about this; maintain the default settings
TPM Base Services Allows for the operation of Trusted Platform Modules Disabled
User Profile Service Allows for the storage and operation of user accounts Automatic
Virtual Disk Allows you to manage HDDs via diskmgmt.msc Manual
Volume Shadow Copy Allows backups of software and files, but not drive imaging Disabled
WebClient Allows a program to modify webpages and files as if they were local Disabled
Windows Audio Provides the ability to play any audio on Windows at all Automatic
Windows Audio Endpoint Builder Plug and play detection for microphones, speaker counts, and other audio
peripherals
Automatic
Windows Backup Ties all the subordinate backup services together in a single interface Disabled
Windows Cardspace Manages digital identities Disabled
Windows Color System Provides the ability to calibrate multiple monitors to display the same
color gamma settings
Disabled
Windows Connect Now Config registrar, issues credentials for connect now Disabled
Windows Defender Inferior spyware/virus protection Disabled
Windows Driver Foundation User-mode Driver Framework and host management Disabled
Windows Error Reporting Service Submits errors to Microsoft Disabled
Windows Image Acquisition (12) Acquires images automatically from scanners and cameras Disabled
Windows Installer Essential for the installation of many programs Manual
Windows Management Instrumentation Provides common features and hooks for Windows apps Manual
Windows Media Center Extender Service (13) Allows media center devices to connect Disabled
Windows Media Center Receiver Service (13) Allows TV/Radio support Disabled
Windows Media Center Scheduler Service (13) Allows the scheduling of TV recording Disabled
Windows Media Center Service Launcher (13) Launches the media center functions when Windows loads Disabled
Windows Media Player Net. Sharing Service Share WMP files Disabled
Windows Modules Installer Allows oyu to add/remove Windows updates and settings Manual
Windows Presentation Foundation Font Cache Caches system fonts Disabled
Windows Remote Management Remote PC Management Disabled
Windows Search Allows you to use the “Search” button from the start menu Manual
Windows time Synchronizes your PC clock to a time server Disabled
Windows Update You can not update your PC without this Automatic
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service Facilitates HTTP communication Manual
Wired AutoConfig No one is quite sure what this does Disabled
WLAN AutoConfig Unlike the above, we know this is how Windows configures WLAN access Manual
WMI Performance Adapter WMI library information provider Disabled
Workstation Maintains internet connections and manages remote printers Disabled

(1) If you like having a convenient list of PCs
and printers accessible on the network when you go to the “My network”
icon in Windows, leave this service enabled.
(2) You can save considerable memory resources by disabling Aero, but if you’re
like me and find it rather pretty, you might leave this enabled.
(3) If you’re the kind of person that has shortcuts for programs or folders
on other PCs on your desktop or in your start menu, leave this service enabled.
(4) If you intend to fax from Vista, naturally you would leave this enabled.
(5) Do you stream media from your PC to your XBOX? If so, leave this service
enabled.
(6) If you’re specifically aware you need IPv6 support (And you will be if you
do), enable this service and set it to automatic.
(7) This facilitates #1, and is a good idea to leave enabled if you want these
things.
(8) If you’re a parent and want to restrict computer time, web access or game
access of your kids, you should leave this service enabled and consult the Parental
Controls feature in the Windows Control panel
(9) If you’re an unlucky soul that must synch your MP3 player through Windows
Media Player, this service needs to remain enabled and set to maual.
(10) If you share files or printers from any computer on your network, leave
this set to automatic.
(11) If you’re the kind of person that likes typing \\PCNAME\ in a Windows Explorer
window to access a PC on the LAN instead of \\XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX\, you might want
to leave this service enabled for convenience.
(12) If you use a digital camera or scanner and want Windows to automatically
grab and handle pictures from these devices, leave this set to manual.
(13) If you plan to use your PC as an HTPC or a Media Center streaming server,
leave these services set to automatic.

The last step of this process is to close the Windows Sidebar,
and disable it from starting up again by right clicking the icon in the system
tray and telling it to bugger off permanently.

Following these procedures reduced my system from 42 Processes,
607MB paged and 532MB of RAM used to a lowly 29 processes, 368MB paged and 400MB
memory usage. You can see how careful management of Windows’ bloat can significantly
reduce the amount of system resources Windows gobbles up. Further disabling
the Aero interface (An action not everyone enjoys) clipped an additional 40MB
from the page file and took the memory footprint to 18% or 368MB of RAM. Not
bad.

Benchmarking Streamlined Windows Vista Against Windows
XP

This is where things go south.
I planned to compare XP with a tamed Vista, to see what (if any) performance
enhancements were gained by hacking at Vista until it was marginally tolerable.
I’m sorry to report this was probably the most hellish experience
I’ve had with a Windows PC since I mucked about with a KX133 and a Socket A
Athlon Thunderbird in 2000. FRAPS was to be used to record the framerates of
two minutes of standardized, repeatable gaming, and then enumerate the low/high/average
FPS between XP and Vista. Below is a list of games I attempted to run, and the
results thereof:

  • Supreme Commander: Would not run, referenced a D3Dx9_31.DLL error. Even
    when this file was placed in the SYSTEM32 directory, the game failed to run.
  • Half-Life 2: When HL2 wasn’t spontaneously crashing with no error messages,
    FRAPS was crashing 30 seconds into the recording process with an unhandled
    exception error. The PC had to be restarted to get HL2 to run again, and the
    crash left behind three processes consuming 400MB of RAM that served no purpose.
  • Quake 4: In the opening FMV, when the USS Patton comes out of superluminal
    travel, the camera pans towards the planet and crashes every time. The crash
    also butchered the gamma/contrast/saturation settings of Vista until the PC
    was rebooted.
  • World of Warcraft: One of the few games I tested on Windows Vista successfully,
    XP and Vista’s benchmarks were within a 2% margin of error, and thus I can
    happily report that WoW has no change between XP and Vista.
    Good!
  • Unreal Tournament 2004: Like World of Warcraft, the framerates were within
    the margin of error, and thusly there is no change between
    XP and Vista.
  • Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion: While the introductory sequences and game option
    menus worked capably, loading into the world crashed the game approximately
    45 seconds into play with no errors.

Resetting the services back to their default values failed to
change the outcome
of the performance on any of these games. I
intended this section to be the real bread and butter of this article:
charts, comparisons and breakdowns of video card settings. Instead, Vista had a different
plan for me; this section became the footnote to a story of utter disaster.

Where does Windows Vista go from here?

At the present time, it goes nowhere. Windows Vista is a product exhibiting
nothing but wheel-spinning in my eyes. I’ve disliked the thought of Windows
Vista since it was released for testing to MSDN and TechNet, but I gave this
retail copy of Windows Vista Ultimate a thorough trial with an open mind. I ran Vista for a solid three weeks as my primary operating system,
using all the games and applications I would normally use on Windows XP, and
received nothing but trouble for my efforts.

For instance, Winamp relies on Windows
to report sound configurations: How many speakers? What type of soundcard? What
quality can this soundcard support? Windows Vista feeds information to Winamp
that can not be used on Windows XP, therefore when attempting to play audio
on a copy of Winamp configured for Vista inside XP, no audio is produced. The
only solution was to install a separate copy of Winamp just for Vista.

I had a single copy of Adobe Photoshop CS2 installed on the D:\ partition (storage) referenced
at the beginning of this article. Configuring licensing information inside XP
rendered CS2 unable to run in Vista, and vice versa was true. I assume this
is an Adobe issue, but this type of annoying software/driver issue is exceedingly
common on Windows Vista and suggests just how coldly Vista was received amongst
driver and software developers. Things like this are just the tip of the iceberg,
with both NVIDIA and ATI scrambling to produce drivers that are of even passable
quality due to the excessive difficulty in writing video drivers for Windows
Vista. Printer manufacturers are shrugging, promising support for only a tiny
fraction of their products by mid-summer. Makers of national wireless cards,
such as Cingular and Sprint, have one or two supported cards in Windows Vista,
at the very best. Many of these cards may never be supported.

At the end of the day, nobody can say I didn’t give Vista an honest try. I
used it day in and day out, throwing objective tests at it that could prove
once and for all that Vista was a more capable operating system, most of which
it failed miserably. And what, for the pricetag, does Windows Vista really offer?
Potential? How do you place a pricetag on that, and how do you validate the
pricetag that a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate carries? Most of the exciting
features of the operating system can be emulated on XP. The control panel files
can be copied into an XP installation and ran. Aero Glass is already emulated
by the boys over at Stardock.
The drivers on XP are vastly more stable and mature, but more importantly, programs
run correctly.

The simple fact that an operating system was in development for five years
and displays this level of inadequacy for a “Retail-ready” release
speaks volumes for the quality of the product. Forget streamlining Vista, let’s
get it working correctly first. Service Pack 1, anybody?


20 Comments:

  1. Enjoyed reading this article, very informative. Thanks Thrax.

  2. Ya, really good read. Explains why I can save my money 'till after Vista gets a reality check.

  3. I disabled a few odf the options you turned off as well, but most I use one way or another... It is true games do hate Vista a bit, but none of my current games have issues...

  4. Glorious People's Republic of Microsoft has fulfilled Five-Year Plan on schedule. Back in bread line and quit complaining, tovarisch.

  5. I disabled a few odf the options you turned off as well, but most I use one way or another... It is true games do hate Vista a bit, but none of my current games have issues...

    Then set them to manual.

  6. If you are going to put a "digg this" button with the article at least initially submit it so we will have something to digg....

    Great write up thraxy

  7. Thank you, Thrax. I enjoyed the well-written article and learned from it. News I can use.

  8. If you are going to put a "digg this" button with the article at least initially submit it so we will have something to digg....

    It's a smart button. After someone submits it, it will be attached to that submission. It's no good for the staff to keep submitting articles - their algorithm will penalize us.

  9. It's a smart button. After someone submits it, it will be attached to that submission. It's no good for the staff to keep submitting articles - their algorithm will penalize us.

    HardOCP (aka kyle) submits their own articles all the time and they have been on the front probably a dozen times.

  10. Like i needed another reason not to get vista.

    Is microsoft trying to put people of from bying their software. Seems like it with the release of crap like this.

  11. Like i needed another reason not to get vista.

    Is microsoft trying to put people of from bying their software. Seems like it with the release of crap like this.

    I think you're looking at it wrong. Rob's approach is right. It's not that the direction is bad for the average guy who keeps forgetting about the "right click thing". Its just bad for geeks. I've seen some of his install problems though haven't pushed Vista intalls the way he has. I'd add a few more problems for us geeks:

    1. Vista assumes I'm too dumb to understand a path. So the address bar shows it in....I still haven't figured that out. Just show me the path!
    2. Geeks have all their docs organized in folders that make sense. When we search, more often then not its for some hidden system file deep in some path that starts with c:\windows\system32\blah, blah. I still haven't figured out how to get search results that I trust in Vista's indexed thing.
    3. I'm convinced the "End Process" button isn't connected to anything. After a while you finally get a screen that says Windows is searching for a solution. Criminy I was just trying something...end the %$#@!* process!
    1. Vista assumes I'm too dumb to understand a path. So the address bar shows it in....I still haven't figured that out. Just show me the path!
    2. Geeks have all their docs organized in folders that make sense. When we search, more often then not its for some hidden system file deep in some path that starts with c:\windows\system32\blah, blah. I still haven't figured out how to get search results that I trust in Vista's indexed thing.
    3. I'm convinced the "End Process" button isn't connected to anything. After a while you finally get a screen that says Windows is searching for a solution. Criminy I was just trying something...end the %$#@!* process!

    I do get a handful of "this program shut down wrong" what do you want to do boxes... while its nice, to know something went wrong it is as annoying as hell that is does it every time I shut down that program...

  12. Thought I'd post this here. Just got an email from Dell asking why my company hasn't migrated to Vista yet. After voting I saw the results. No idea how many votes are in, but its interesting. Click the attachment.

  13. I often feel the same anger towards Vista as I have before working on Macs...I think this is a very, very bad sign. Hurry Bill, sell your stocks before you lose all your lovely money. I love freeware, I think I'm going to have to go back to using some of that. Gaming is really the only reason I don't put more thought into completely switching to the 'nix. I've gotten to the point where I want to actually cause harm to the next customer/person to ask me what I think about Windoze Vista.

  14. Being a PC builder and what I would call a hard core gamer, I do not have any of the above feelings toward the OS. it does offer a few new items I use daily that I didn't have access to in XP. I am sure a SP1 update will be very welcome in regards to a few program instabilities, but overall the OS runs great for what i use it for day in and day out.

    I will still refer new builds to XP for the pure fact it is much more streamlined, and no one can deny that. But if someone wants a Vista PC, I just make sure to use components that will work within the system now. I guess I just have the luxury to work around things…

  15. I have the luxury to work around things too, but that's the sin of Vista: You shouldn't have to hand-pick components to get the PC working. If you must, it's not ready, plain and simple.

    Further, and I mean no offense to this, Sledge, but you get really excited over new products very easily. You're a "New new new! Now now now!" type person, and generally don't carry any of the reservations expressed by a large portion of the general PC/gaming community about anything.

  16. Well when you get it free it is hard not to check it out... I don't have the luxury myself to pick items, but for customers new builds I do, but before I jumped ship I made sure that all drivers on my laptop were compatible with Vista along with the programs I use daily, such as Dreamweaver, Photoshop, 3DS Max 9.0, Maya, MS Office, Smart FTP, all my games etc... they all work, some with a hitch and others with nothing wrong, but than again many of my programs give me issues in XP, so it is nothing new. Being a so called Geek myself as the title says, I don't see the reason not to switch, especially if your building a new PC, I don't see myself telling people to upgrade, but if your starting from fresh slate I would go Vista...

    just my opinion...

  17. Then set them to manual.

    Or build a batch file to turn them on and off at a click of a button

  18. ^^ditto Shorty^^ I have a batch for my Cisco VPN that starts the service, then the vpn.exe.

    Let me add one more geek rant to my three above:

    4. Vista's backup assumes you're dumb as a rock. So instead of choosing entire folders and ignoring others, you just pick categores of files...such as E-mail with a pretty blue check beside it. I don't see the point in backing up if I don't have a darn good idea exactly what is getting backed up (i.e., there might be several .pst's on this or any other computer I'm on...is it taking all of them? Just some of them?). ntbackup doesn't work any more. I see Cobian is Vista-able. Might have to make that change.

  19. HardOCP (aka kyle) submits their own articles all the time and they have been on the front probably a dozen times.

    FWIW, Jared, the Digg community generally hates it when the same submitter continues to give the same articles from one website over and over again. When you think about it, there's really not much wrong about it - that's the point of the system. People feel like it gets abused, though, when you keep tooting your own horn. Plus, it would cheapen the article, IMO, if the writers of it are the ones that find it interesting - thus submitting it to Digg.com to begin with.

    Plus, as an author, I'd rather be recognized with a digg as opposed to forcing it down someone's throat, know what I mean?

    As always, another enjoyable article from the guy who introduced me to the website to begin with - puts my doubts about upgrading into perspective. I respect your opinion, Thrax, and greatly appreciate the time and effort you take in not only giving me advice but everyone else as well. I always feel bad about bugging you on AIM about my latest tech question, but am very appreciative you continue put up with me. Well written and easy to understand, despite the rather advanced nature of the body of the article.

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