Head to Head: Nvidia 9800GTX+ vs ATI HD4850

Mike D. (lemonlime)

February 2, 2009 3:55 PM ET in Review, , , , , , , ,

3DMark Vantage

3DMark Vantage is the newest revision of Futuremark’s popular 3DMark suite. Strictly compatible with DX10, it is truly the next generation 3D benchmark.

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We used the default ‘Performance’ settings preset, and the usual 1280×1024 resolution. Detailed benchmark settings can be seen below:

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While 3DMark contains many platform tests, we’ll be focusing on the GPU tests and the final score for the purposes of this review.

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The 9800GTX+ leads the HD4850 by over 1000 points in the overall score, but surprisingly, the HD4850 leads the 9800GTX+ in the overall GPU score. Clearly something else is throwing the overall results in NVIDIA’s favor as we’ll see shortly.

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In the two game tests, we see the two cards performing almost identically with test 1 slightly preferring ATI and test 2 slightly preferring NVIDIA.

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Clearly, the source of the higher 9800GTX+ overall score was the CPU tests. 3DMark Vantage can take advantage of NVIDIA’s CUDA-based PhysX engine in some of the tests. As you can see above, hardware physics is a tremendous improvement over CPU physics processing alone. This is somewhat of an unfair advantage as modern ATI cards also support physics processing, yet Vantage does not appear to be making use of it.

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Again, we see a very specific example of this PhysX advantage in the second CPU test, “Crash’N'Burn Physics.” The NVIDIA cards have a significant advantage in this particular test.

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12 Comments

  1. 2 Feb '09, 9:14 pm Sledgehammer70

    The 9800GTX+ is a great card you just can't beat the price performance on the thing.

  2. 2 Feb '09, 11:36 pm Thrax

    Great article, Mike. It provided me with some answers I was seriously looking for. Cheers!

  3. 3 Feb '09, 10:37 am inf3rno

    The article was good but not good enough. There was some smell of biasness of green camp fan. The HIS card's specification were not told. And what about the price performance ratio?

  4. 3 Feb '09, 1:10 pm lemonlime

    Thank you for the comments, inf3rno,

    We didn't get into too much detail about the ATI card, because we were reviewing the Zotac 9800GTX+, not the HD4850. I agree that we should have listed the specifications for the HIS card, which was an oversight on my part. We'll have it added into the testing configuration section. Believe me, I am not biased toward either side of the fence. I own both ATI and Nvidia products and believe both the HD4850 and 9800GTX+ are excellent cards (as stated in the conclusion).

    For anyone interested, the card we used for testing was the HIS HD4850 IceQ 4 Turbo 512MB. The full specifications can be found at the following URL: http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-28.shtml. The HIS card and the Zotac card were overclocked out of the box, but we also tested both the HD4850 and 9800GTX+ reference configurations to ensure an equal playing field.

    Also, I think price performance ratio was stated pretty clearly in the conclusion:

    Quoting From the review

    Price also plays a major factor in our ability to recommend one card over the other and we believe they are priced appropriately for their capabilities. The 9800GTX+ retails in the $150-210 range depending on the card and bundle, and the HD4850 can be found for as low as $125. To be perfectly honest, we cannot name a clear winner as both offer competitive performance catering to slightly different value propositions.

    The bottom line: The 9800GTX+ performs slightly better overall, but costs more. The HD4850 is a better price, but is not quite as fast as the 9800GTX+. I think we were very fair in both our testing and our evaluation of both products.

  5. 3 Feb '09, 5:16 pm stas

    This article was biased - and i own only nVidia cards. Here's why:

    1) Catalyst 8.8?
    2) 353 pointers fold MUCH faster than 511 pointers... I fold with 2 gtx 260's and the 260 gets 8,000+ points with 353 and only 5000+ points with the 511. The fact that the 4850 is slower at folding is not the issue, its that the test itself is heavily biased.

  6. 3 Feb '09, 5:35 pm lemonlime

    Thanks for the comments. Our apologies. The catalyst version was a typo. We used the latest (at the time of writing) catalyst drivers which was 8.12.

    F@H in general is very heavily biased towards nvidia cards, unfortunately. We included the tests as it is a very popular application but it is definitely not a fair test and we agree with you wholeheartedly. As you can see in the Sisoft Sandra benchmarks, the HD4850 does have a lot of synthetic number crunching potential. Applications simply aren't taking advantage of it. This was the only point we were trying to make.

  7. 3 Feb '09, 5:41 pm Thrax

    Correction: The original run of this article erroneously reported that our Radeon HD 4850 employed ATI Catalyst version 8.8 drivers. The article has been corrected to read Catalyst 8.12, the newest available during product testing. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

  8. 3 Feb '09, 5:56 pm Buddy J

    Stas, it's not that the test is biased, it's that Pande Group has given the ATI cards the GPU2 Folding version of a golf handicap. And when it comes down to average PPD, all that matters is which card pushes the most points for the buck. How they get those points is irrelevant.

    Units that are assigned to NVIDIA cards aren't assigned to ATI cards, and vice versa, as far as I understand it.

  9. 3 Feb '09, 9:14 pm mas0n

    Correct, they do not share WUs.

    I believe that what Stas is referring to is that when analyzing the average PPD for a given card we should take into consideration that performance as expressed in PPD varies greatly between groups of WUs. For example, my 4870 has a performance range of 3000-5300 PPD and my 9800GT gets 3500-5200. I could pick a random pair of WUs showing an impressive performance lead in either way.

    Nice article. Two great cards; competitively priced.

  10. 4 Feb '09, 2:03 am Leonardo
    HIS HD4850 IceQ 4 Turbo 512MB

    Where do they find the crackheads to come up with these silly names? Hey Mr. Marketingdude, we aren't all 12 year olds.

    Now, if I were one of the marketing dolts, I'd prefer a name like the "Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator 512MB +/-/=/!."

    (ok, I won't quit my day job)

  11. 6 Feb '09, 4:53 am natravis

    So, can someone point me to a guide on how to overclock video card? I'm kinda mucking around right now just raising a bit then testing in games. I can't imagine that is best way but real-world effective, I suppose. Anyways, I look forward to the link.

  12. 26 Mar '09, 5:33 pm nuke7

    hey all,
    i just wanted to point out an obvius fact, which was not mentoined in the article - or i just didnt see it.
    the ATI card has a more modern architecture!
    it supports newer direct x versions, and its performance will get better with - or stay on the same level - games evolving, while the gtx+ card will loose its edge in the upcoming games... (i think this article is pretty biased towards the green zone.. )

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