The holiday HTPC

Larry Faeo aka; Stone (Mt_Goat)

December 17, 2008 11:26 AM ET in Articles,

An idea that has been trying to take hold for some time is the concept of a home theater PC. Such a computer promises the ability to store, mange, and play movies, music and pictures of all sorts. This multimedia hub should ultimately unite our audio equipment, DVD players, CD players, Blu-ray players, consoles and digital multimedia into a single, easy package that’s operable with a remote control. To see if I could meet all of these goals, I set out to make an “HD Home Theater PC” that I could connect to a 52” HD ILA 1080p television and digital home theater sound system.

The 2001 release of Windows XP Media Center Edition made strides towards my goal, but hardware support was lackluster and the product was only available from OEMs like HP. Thankfully, ensuing years have seen three successive iterations of Windows XP MCE and a great improvement in media center hardware. Now on version 2005, the software is available under Microsoft’s OEM license that requires the product be purchased with a qualifying piece of hardware; thankfully almost any hardware qualifies. Though the need to buy small hardware to acquire MCE will put a dent in the savings, MCE is still something of a deal at a full $25 less than XP Professional with all the same — and many extra — features.

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Aside from a new skin and the Media Center, Windows XP MCE is just like XP Pro.

 

The Media Center main screen

The Windows XP Media Center Edition interface.

Come 2008, we’re finally seeing a wide selection of hardware capable of handling the intricacies of high definition playback. Now that the industry is perhaps ready to tackle the task, let’s see what sort of hardware might be required to make such a project work.

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15 Comments:

  1. So can you watch Blu-ray movies in MCE (using the CyberDVD decoder) or do you actually have to use their DVD app for playback?

  2. Nice. It's surely future-proof, but for a pure media center, it really seems like overkill. You can do full 1080p HD playback on a 780G motherboard with the integrated graphics alone as I understand it using the lowest clocked AM2+ chips. Why'd you go for the big Intel, full ATX board and HD 4830? Will you be doing encoding too?

  3. So can you watch Blu-ray movies in MCE (using the CyberDVD decoder) or do you actually have to use their DVD app for playback?

    MCE has no provisions for HD or BD and so far I can not find a way to add it to MCE via the other programs option.

  4. Nice. It's surely future-proof, but for a pure media center, it really seems like overkill. You can do full 1080p HD playback on a 780G motherboard with the integrated graphics alone as I understand it using the lowest clocked AM2+ chips. Why'd you go for the big Intel, full ATX board and HD 4830? Will you be doing encoding too?

    For me it is more than just a pure media center. It is also intended to replace my previous build as my main PC and be capable of doing everything including Folding@Home.

    I tried the BD/HDDVD drive on a few different combinations to test for minimum compatability and found the following;

    • Opteron170 OC 2.4 / 2GB DDR400 / Nvidia 7600 = very poor playback
    • Opteron170 OC 2.4 / 2GB DDR400 / ATI 1800 = poor playback
    • Opteron170 OC2.4 / 2GB DDR400 / HD 4830 = barely passable playback
    • E7200 / 4GB DDR800 / Nvidia 7600= slightly jittery playback
    • E7200 / 4GB DDR800 / ATI HD 3850 = very good playback

    So for another $20 or so more than the 3850 I upped to the 4830, which is a lot more card. It is also harder to get massive HSF's to fit in micro boards. My fullest extension is to do video editing.

  5. Aside from maybe an obvious disdain for Vista, might I ask why you opted for MCE 2005 instead of a Vista version?

  6. That was going to be my next question, I know MCE 2005 is showing it's age and it is unknown if MS will ever add blu-ray support to it.

    What about Vista? Does anyone know if Vista MCE (or whatever it is called) supports HD-DVD or Blu-ray within MCE itself?

  7. Aside from maybe an obvious disdain for Vista, might I ask why you opted for MCE 2005 instead of a Vista version?

    I have tried vista more than once and just don't care for it. It uses too much system resources, makes control harder and doesn't offer enough to make me want it. Vista Home premium isn't too far off in terms of features but it just doesn't perform for me!

    What about Vista? Does anyone know if Vista MCE (or whatever it is called) supports HD-DVD or Blu-ray within MCE itself?

    I have looked and so far there is no support. I really don't see where it would be of any real benefit anyway.

  8. Gotcha! If you're doing video editing etc, it makes perfect sense.

  9. Great review and advice. At some point down the road, I plan to build one, and like you I want it to have more power than just a regular HTPC. But I would rather not run any media center sort of OS. Are there any freeware programs that load from within Vista or XP that'll give you the same features? I've tried out HP's solution and liked it but then you need an HP.

    Also, how is the image quality using an LCD TV from within windows? Text on websites clear enough? What about using it for photo shop?

  10. What about Vista? Does anyone know if Vista MCE (or whatever it is called) supports HD-DVD or Blu-ray within MCE itself?

    I'm not sure if Media Center itself supports either at the moment, but I know it'll play HD-DVD and Blu-Ray through software (I've played HD-DVDs via a version of PowerDVD or whatever with the 360's drive). I think it's slated to get BR write support with SP2, but I'm not sure it'll have native support (and thus via the Media Center) any time soon. Still, being able to play via programs is just as good as playing through Media Center in my view, but I think you can do that on MCE05 just fine as well.

    In other words, you can cross your fingers, but it'll probably end up the same either way.

    Also, Komete, you can get something like MythTV or the like that is some alternative MC software. I think even XBMC works on top of some OSes now.

    The trouble with using TVs for monitors is usually pixel density. I had a 32" LCD TV that was only 1366x768 when used in VGA. That's worse than my 19" 1680x1050. It's just that everything's HUGE.

  11. XBMC is a fine solution, but has no support for tuner cards.

    The ultimate HTPC solution is MythTV. Nothing else comes close, but it has a steeper learning curve.

  12. MediaPortal is XBMC with Tuner support. It was actually developed after one of the original XBMC devs left the project to start his own work. It on the same level as MythTV - assuming you don't mind using the Windows platform.

    http://www.team-mediaportal.com/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaPortal

    A handy page that will help you decide which platform is right for you.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...tware_packages

    (clearly MediaPortal and MythTV are the winners here)

  13. Great review and advice. At some point down the road, I plan to build one, and like you I want it to have more power than just a regular HTPC. But I would rather not run any media center sort of OS. Are there any freeware programs that load from within Vista or XP that'll give you the same features? I've tried out HP's solution and liked it but then you need an HP.

    Also, how is the image quality using an LCD TV from within windows? Text on websites clear enough? What about using it for photo shop?

    I don't really see where the MCE component itself is an end all in any way what so ever. The biggest thing I see with it is that you can use a universal type remote that comes with many HTPC cases and tuner cards to run everything. I have no problem using stand alone software to do the desired task! As I pointed out, I will likely end up using separate software for HD DVD and Blu Ray. BTW my remote that came with the tuner card (and is MCE compliant) runs my Power DVD program just fine as well as WMP! Also as I pointed out in the article MCE 2005 is Windows XP Professional with the MCE added. And you can use the MCE as you wish or not. I would buy the same OS again and probably just not use the MCE for my next desktop build. It will save my some cash if nothong else since it is XP Pro in reality.

    Viewed on my 52" 1080p (1920 x 1080 resolution) Windows looks to be stretched as far as it can go. I had to enable large font and clear type to read well. But at the 10' viewing distance I have from my bed it looks and reads OK. As a matter of fact I have been using this set up more than my desktop lately. Pictures and everthing else look great and it is just the native windows resolution that craps out. I feel that a 40" or 42" panel would be optimum for maximum size.

  14. The trouble with using TVs for monitors is usually pixel density. I had a 32" LCD TV that was only 1366x768 when used in VGA. That's worse than my 19" 1680x1050.

    It is much better with 1080p than 720 for sure.

    It's just that everything's HUGE.

    So much better for pROn!

  15. The biggest thing I see with it is that you can use a universal type remote that comes with many HTPC cases and tuner cards to run everything.

    Intelliremote is a cheap way to get most any kind of computer remote to work with Windows. I've been using it for years with the Live! Drive in my HTPC because Creative's software sucks. Recent versions support all kinds of craziness (ATI's RF remotes, Bluetooth remotes like cell phones and Wiimotes, etc.) I'm using it currently with the external box on my Audigy2 ZS, a Logitech Harmony remote, and XP x64 Edition. You know it's solid if it can make that hodgepodge work flawlessly .

    -drasnor

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