Christian Game Studio Founded

TheBaron

28 Jun '04, 3:59 am

who gives a ****

(sarcasm intended)

Thrax

28 Jun '04, 4:19 am

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 4:34 am

heh

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 4:53 am

Christians. The only religious group we are allowed to freely bash without being accused of bigotry. Why is that?

Maybe if a few aisle-running, pew-jumping Pentacostals strap on suicide vests they'll get a little sympathy and respect.

Of course, doing so would not be Christian...

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 5:05 am

Yea... it's not like christianity has killed anyone before or had any part in terrorizing people... right? (KKK, Crusades) It's not like there aren't any verses in the bible that tell men to pillage and kill people. We can make fun of christianity because our entire country is founded on it and the majority of people are christian. It's funny because when people make fun of it it's the truth and not just some mindless joke making fun of some foreign people praying.

How about this? I'm going to equally bash all religions that push beliefs onto others and discriminate.

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 5:13 am

hmm

lets not get feisty here. relax. its news.

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 5:20 am

Prof's a good guy I've got nothing against him. It's just when I hear christian president's trying to discriminate against gay couples and control marriage it disgusts me. Marriage isn't an issue of state... it's an issue of church. Anyone remember that one value this country was founded on?

Al Capown--obviously not a fan of the moral majority...

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 5:30 am

i know i shouldnt get into this.... but...

Gay people. hmm... how can two men make a family? its just not right. thats not about religion, its about the way humanity was made/evolved. however you would like to put it. just think. 2 guys walking down the street holding hands. now... say you are walking with your kids. what will they ask? what will they say? they will think gay is normal. they will think that its ok to like other little boys in there class. now... does that really sound right to you? no. we werent made/evolved to be like that. its just wrong. period, i dont care what religion your from. 2 guys on each others back is not right. gay marriges will dissrupt the way we have to raise our children. not only that. it puts ideas into their minds.

look, i dont have a prob against gay peeps, but i just dont want them around my future kids.

entropy

28 Jun '04, 5:37 am

Personally I don't have any problem with gay people, so long as they respect MY sexuality as I do theirs, and don't make passes at me. That's the tipping point for me. If that's their thing... Ok. Maybe they can't help it. Or maybe it's just a personal preference. If they can remain professional about things, then it's ok by me. However, Jengo, I think you raise a good point. Now what I would say is this - kids that need to ask what is going on are too young to be interested in sexuality. They won't even start thinking about those feeling until they're older, at which point they'll understand and be informed. So, you have humans too young to care, and humans old enough to make their own choices. Really I don't think seeing gay couples will affect a young child's personality much, if at all. Just my two cents...

-e

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 5:40 am

Al, I think you're a good guy yourself.

But ask yourself, if the headline substituted any other religion for the word "Christian" would anyone feel right in making fun of it? If a group of game developers planned a software line to appeal to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, would we be so quick with the snickers and smart-alec comments?

I see no evidence that this group is trying to censor what games are released, only that they intend to offer an alternative for Christians which doesn't insult their values. If no one buys them then they will go the way of many other failed game companies.

When my daughter was still young enough to need parental input on such things it was sometimes hard to find something suitable for her. If these folks come out with a fun game which a parent doesn't have to feel is contrary to their values they will be doing a great thing. There will still be room on the store shelves for the next version of Phantasmagoria.

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 5:41 am

Quoting Jengo

i know i shouldnt get into this.... but...

Gay people. hmm... how can two men make a family? its just not right. thats not about religion, its about the way humanity was made/evolved. however you would like to put it. just think. 2 guys walking down the street holding hands. now... say you are walking with your kids. what will they ask? what will they say? they will think gay is normal. they will think that its ok to like other little boys in there class. now... does that really sound right to you? no. we werent made/evolved to be like that. its just wrong. period, i dont care what religion your from. 2 guys on each others back is not right. gay marriges will dissrupt the way we have to raise our children. not only that. it puts ideas into their minds.

look, i dont have a prob against gay peeps, but i just dont want them around my future kids.

Excuse me? Is marriage a certificate you redeem to make babies? Gay people will have sex with or without being married. Marriage is something that was created by religion and is a social issue. The government has no right to tell gay people they can't get married. Once again your logic isn't correct. You're saying that gay people will only hold hands if they're married and that once they get married all kids will become gay because they see 2 guys holding hands? No matter what the issue of gay sex will be there. Do you think giving them marriage is going to bring out all the gay people? They will still hold hands, kiss, have sex. If you have a problem with that then your issue has nothing to do with marriage but totally with homosexuals as a whole.

You don't have a problem with gay people? I think it's pretty obvious that you indeed do.

I think entropy makes some excellent points.

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 5:47 am

al i have 2 gay friends that i normally hang around with. i have seen them, i know how they act. i know alot about them. i dont have a prob with them. but if i were to have children i woudnt want them around them. is there a problem with my opinion on gay people?

entropy

28 Jun '04, 5:50 am

Jengo, out of curiosity - why wouldn't you want them around your kids? (I'm not trying to antagonize you, I'm just wondering)

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 5:50 am

You see these people as perverted and not worthy to be infront of your children.

I think that you get the feeling they will start making out in front of your kids... What if two heterosexuals were making out in front of your kids... you'd want to leave wouldn't you. I believe that in both cases where there is any sort of sexual tension you'd feel the need to not let your child see it. I think your issue is that you see these people as perverted and don't realize that the same would go for a heterosexual couple showing affection to one another.

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 5:51 am

Quoting Al_Capown

...Marriage is something that was created by religion and is a social issue. The government has no right to tell gay people they can't get married. Once again your logic isn't correct...

If marriage was created solely by religion and is a social issue then why do we need the government to be involved at all? Let each religion establish their own definition of marriage and leave Big Brother out of it altogether. I'm not being sarcastic - my libertarian instincts tell me that this may be the only viable long-term solution to the problem.

Obligatory "I am not a gay-basher" comment:

I have had many gay friends, including some family members. I was holding my friend Jon's hand when he died of AIDS. His gay friends would have nothing to do with him at that point. (This was ten years ago, and I believe that attitude has changed.)

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 5:53 am

Quoting profdlp

If marriage was created solely by religion and is a social issue then why do we need the government to be involved at all? Let each religion establish their own definition of marriage and leave Big Brother out of it altogether. I'm not being sarcastic - my libertarian instincts tell me that this may be the only viable long-term solution to the problem.

Obligatory "I am not a gay-basher" comment:

I have had many gay friends, including some family members. I was holding my friend Jon's hand when he died of AIDS. His gay friends would have nothing to do with him at that point. (This was ten years ago, and I believe that attitude has changed.)

I agree with your first statement. I don't believe that government should put any regulations or restrictions on marriage. If they need to change their names then people can just do it like you would without getting married.

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 5:55 am

Quoting Al_Capown

...I think that you get the feeling they will start making out in front of your kids... What if two heterosexuals were making out in front of your kids... you'd want to leave wouldn't you. I believe that in both cases where there is any sort of sexual tension you'd feel the need to not let your child see it...

Then it isn't a case of being anti-gay, just a matter of controlling what your kids are exposed to, regardless of the sexes of the people smooching it up.

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 5:57 am

Quoting profdlp

Then it isn't a case of being anti-gay, just a matter of controlling what your kids are exposed to, regardless of the sexes of the people smooching it up.

Exactly which is why that is not a valid argument against gay marriage.

Thrax

28 Jun '04, 6:00 am

The same section of Leviticus that denounces homosexuality also denounces the consumption of lobster.

That's right, God hates gays and Red Lobster.

//EDIT:

But really, back to the topic at hand.

"Christian Game Studio?"

It's ridiculous. That's so self-segregating it's not even funny. I would laugh equally at "Hebrew Game Studio" and "Buddhist Game Studio." It's just a ridiculous notion, making "Religion-friendly" games.

"Here, here.. Quake 3 is bad for Christians! Play this!"

It's spoon-feeding, an inherent quality of talking down to people of faith.

entropy

28 Jun '04, 6:00 am

Really I don't see what the big deal of gay marriage is. All it is is formally saying, "Hey, we love each other" to the rest of the world. It used to be that you would live together and sleep together, but I know more and more people are just skipping the marriage bit altogether, which is entirely up to them. It's something between 2 people and God, and I don't care what anyone says, God doesn't hate gays. If I'm wrong, point me to a piece of scripture........

-e

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 6:03 am

AL stop trying to act like your me, you arent, you dont know why i think the way i do, you dont need too, if i feel my kids shouldnt be around them then i dont want them around them, same goes if a straight couple were making out and grabbing each others butt, i wouldnt want my kids around them, there are some things i dont like, and you need to realize that you dont think like me and everyone can think how they want. now... lets just drop it before we start flaming each other... its just not cool. you have your opinions, i respect that. but please. stop acting like you know what im thinking.

entropy> well, i dont want my kids around them for many reasons. im not saying ALL gay people are like this, BUT, my gay friends are very bad. they shoot up on drugs all the time things we dont need to discuss. they are very ill mannered, they make out in front of everyone, they grab/slap each others butt. just stuff i dont want my kids seeing. (well... my future kids cause i dont have any right now) its just not appropriate in public. and the fact that there gay does matter, i dont want my kids seeing that... i just dont wish for my kids to turn out like them. its my opinion... if it was two females it would be the exact same thing... dont think its only men...

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 6:05 am

Quoting Thrax

..."Christian Game Studio?"

It's ridiculous. That's so self-segregating it's not even funny...

And self-segregation is bad because...?

When I go to a football game I like to sit on my team's side of the field. Is that wrong?

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 6:07 am

oh, entropy, a peice of scripture eh? lol.

"thou shall not sleep with another man" i dont remember what exact verse it was and all. but i bet if you google it you can find it... heh...

dont ge me the wrong way, im no super christian or something like that. i just dont wish for my kids to be gay.. thats all. i dont care about gay people, they can go marry all they want... while i wish for it not to happen its not like i can realy do anything.

i just want my kids to be straight... the way they were designed to be... heh.. its that easy.. i dont hate gays... ah oh well... it doesnt matter anymore...

Thrax

28 Jun '04, 6:08 am

Alright, so your few gay friends constitute the whole of the gay populace?

Good to see your ability to pass broad and bigoted judgements is in fair and working condition.

1. You can admit that you don't want your kids around gay people, because "You don't want your kids to turn out like that." Though you totally ignore that homosexuality is not a decision, that there is no, and has never been conclusive proof that it's a choice.

2. Or you can admit you don't want your kids around trashy people, period. But you would be perfectly willing to let them around upstanding people who are homosexual. Executives, lawyers, etcetera.

No one is designed to be straight, "As it's meant to be."

Your statements make it perfectly clear that it's not that you hate ill-mannered people, it's just that you hate gays and are covering it up with a piss-poor, and ultimately pathetic ploy to disguise your hatred.

And really, so what if gay people get married?

So ****ing what?

Oh, hey, they like GUYS, they shouldn't be able to profess their love in a legally binding relationship, because that's just crazy!

entropy

28 Jun '04, 6:12 am

Jengo, didn't find a durn thing that says that. But i'd be interested if someone knew of it...because 10 to 1 it was / is misinterpreted.

EDIT:
Thrax (and anyone else), this is just my spin on things, my own feelings, so contradict if you wish, but don't flame. I think that man and woman were created for each other. Otherwise He'd have made 2 men and 2 women and said, "Your call." Ok, so that's crude, but I think we were meant to be straight. Then again, if God seriously didn't like gays...it'd be well within His power to prevent it.

As they said on Seinfeld (and everything in life can be related to that show): "Not that there's anything wrong with that"

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 6:14 am

Quoting Jengo

AL stop trying to act like your me, you arent, you dont know why i think the way i do, you dont need too, if i feel my kids shouldnt be around them then i dont want them around them, same goes if a straight couple were making out and grabbing each others butt, i wouldnt want my kids around them, there are some things i dont like, and you need to realize that you dont think like me and everyone can think how they want. now... lets just drop it before we start flaming each other... its just not cool. you have your opinions, i respect that. but please. stop acting like you know what im thinking.

entropy> well, i dont want my kids around them for many reasons. im not saying ALL gay people are like this, BUT, my gay friends are very bad. they shoot up on drugs all the time things we dont need to discuss. they are very ill mannered, they make out in front of everyone, they grab/slap each others butt. just stuff i dont want my kids seeing. (well... my future kids cause i dont have any right now) its just not appropriate in public. and the fact that there gay does matter, i dont want my kids seeing that... i just dont wish for my kids to turn out like them. its my opinion... if it was two females it would be the exact same thing... dont think its only men...

I realize that my statement before may have been putting words into your mouth or maybe just rephrasing what you said but the point of it was that as a parent I wouldn't want my kids around either homo or hetero sexual couples who are making out or involved in anything sexual. I honestly don't even know why you made that statement about your friends shooting up to illustrate a point that gay people do drugs. Does the heterosexual population not shoot up on heroine?

The points you are using to explain why you wouldn't want your kids to be around gay people, which consequently leads to not wanting gay marriage work on both sides of the sexual spectrum. You say Gay people are vulgar and make out and slap asses but don't horny couples do the exact same thing? Don't straight people shoot up drugs too? I don't think your problem is with an entire minority i think it is simply with a few select cases and that you should not be basing your opinions on as some might say, a few bad apples.

Entropy... it's probably just some part in the bible where it says the union of a man and a woman or something that deals with adam and eve. Back in ancient rome (might have been greece) homosexuality was very very common.

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 6:19 am

ok thrax... you think i hate gay people so much?

go to the "what are you listening to" thread.

look at everything i posted there..

look for the guy named "Malice Mizer" and "Gackt"

if i hated gay people so much like you say i do, now then why the hell would i even have downloaded practically all his music videos?

or how about this...

Yes, i hate gay people, there i said it. are you happy? shoot me...

i dont really hate gay people... but if you guys want to be such an ass and peer pressuring me into saying that i do, or turning my words around and using them back on me... well there.. now you can see it. do you feel better?

good... now.. ima go back to listening to Gackt... and not wanting my kids to be gay... altho i dont really know how i should think of gay people right now.. you guys can decide for me... as thats what you want to do...

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 6:23 am

Al, i made the statement about my friends shooting up cause entropy wanted to know why i didnt want my kids hanging around them... but as in them i meant those two gay guys i know...

somtimes its hard to say what i wanna say cause i am half mexican.. and i ususally only speak spanish at home... sorry...

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 6:26 am

Quoting Jengo

Al, i made the statement about my friends shooting up cause entropy wanted to know why i didnt want my kids hanging around them... but as in them i meant those two gay guys i know...

somtimes its hard to say what i wanna say cause i am half mexican.. and i ususally only speak spanish at home... sorry...

Ah... i see didn't pick up on that right away.

Here's my final point.

I believe people should be seen as people and not as a label. I don't believe that you, me, the government, or anyone else has the right to take away or control any human's rights. Don't stereotype an entire minority based on the select few encounters you have had with some.

I'm 1/2 Colombian. I got stereotyped all throughout junior high because I have dark skin and the few interactions people have had with latin people in indiana is at mcdonalds or them doing landscaping. So basically people related anything that an employee at mcdonalds did to me. It's not fun and I'm sure you've been discriminated before in your life so try to be open minded.

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 6:31 am

Just a little suggestion:

I suspect there'd be wide agreement with the idea that what people do in private is their own business. I think there would be equal support for the notion that a parent has a right - and a responsibility - to control what their children are exposed to.

Arguing the details is not going to get us anywhere. When this thread started we were all friends. Let's keep it that way.

prof sends a big sloppy kiss to all

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 6:33 am

Prof... please no male on male kissing... my future kids are watching

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 6:35 am

Quoting Al_Capown

Prof... please no male on male kissing... my future kids are watching

Then yours is an "air kiss".

No Mantouch.

primesuspect

28 Jun '04, 6:36 am

dude

please

guys

it's my birthday.

please don't make me moderate today. I'm taking a day off.

This thread needs to END the gay discussion and the religion discussion. News post was about a christian game studio. The end.

entropy

28 Jun '04, 6:36 am

Hehe, Mantouch officially gets a capital letter now?

Jengo

28 Jun '04, 6:37 am

oh boy...

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 6:39 am

Quoting primesuspect

dude

please

guys

it's my birthday.

please don't make me moderate today. I'm taking a day off.

This thread needs to END the gay discussion and the religion discussion. News post was about a christian game studio. The end.

I think Prime's pissed cuz Thrax didn't give him his birthday serving of mantouch...

TheSmJ

28 Jun '04, 7:26 am

"Christian friendly games"?

Don't they mean "not fun games"?

profdlp

28 Jun '04, 7:34 am

Quoting TheSmJ

"Christian friendly games"?

Don't they mean "not fun games"?

I guess you'd have to play it to find out.

President and CEO Tom Bean has assembled a team of veterans from the education sector of the industry. Their collective resume includes such elementary school classics as Carmen Sandiego, Reader Rabbit, and Oregon Trail.

My daughter and I played various versions of all of those games. We enjoyed them very much.

TheSmJ

28 Jun '04, 7:47 am

Well there's "Edutainment" games, and there's REAL games. I liked Oregon Trail back in the day too, but for some reason I don't play it as much as I do UT2K4 anymore...

bothered

28 Jun '04, 10:10 am

Christian games? why not? Jewish, Muslim, Hindi games? Why not? It doesn't matter. If they sell there must be a market, if they don't they'll go bust and we'll move on.
Gays? (sorry prime but I have to say) I don't want them near my kids either. I don't want my kids to think it may be normal. It's normal for an addict to inject drugs, don't make it right.

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 12:50 pm

Quoting bothered

Christian games? why not? Jewish, Muslim, Hindi games? Why not? It doesn't matter. If they sell there must be a market, if they don't they'll go bust and we'll move on.
Gays? (sorry prime but I have to say) I don't want them near my kids either. I don't want my kids to think it may be normal. It's normal for an addict to inject drugs, don't make it right.

No one said anything about an addict shooting up heroine being right. I was just using it to illustrate a point that a human is a human whether they are gay or straight. Gays don't do drugs more often than straight people. There is no evidence linking the two. When I have kids I don't want them around anyone whose engaging in intimate situations whether they are straight or gay I don't care.

Why don't you want them around your kids? Do you think homosexual couples are anymore vulgar than heterosexual couples or are you just a homophobe?

ho·mo·pho·bi·a ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-)
n.
Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.

Do you see that word contempt? You are saying that because of a personal sexual choice, you do not trust their judgement and you don't think they would be a good role model for your children as a person? I"m guessing that the point youre trying to make is you don't want your kids seeing them "being gay" and for them to follow suit? It's not like gay people have anymore hormones than a heterosexual. They do not have a constant appetite for the same sex and I'm not buying this whole I don't want my kids around gay people idea.

Thrax

28 Jun '04, 1:03 pm

There are boisterous, ****-faced and obnoxious straight people. They are black, white, asian, indian...

There are boisterous, ****-faced and obnoxious gay people. They are black, white, asian, indian...

And then there is the rest of the world, leading quiet, private lives of their own. Be they gay or straight, there are billions left where no amount of guessing can ascertain their sexuality.

Kids don't "Learn" to be gay. Homosexuality isn't some damn pathogen that will infect little kids with the homo gene. People are private, and most gays are so publicly private that you'd be hard pressed to ever find one that would impede on anyone's sheltered world of gay-fright.

Look. Your kid's either going to grow up liking men, or grow up liking women. No amount of exposure to homosexuality, boisterous or reserved, is going to have an influence on that. If you subscribe to the environmental sexuality influence, unless a gay couple is living in your house, your kid is going to see more heterosexuality in his "Impressionable years" than he probably will ever see homosexuality.

Alright?

People need to stop acting like it's a disease. That kids can "Turn gay" by being around a gay.

To say more that "I don't want my kids being around gays!" is a ridiculous notion, considering you're surrounded by them every day and you're none the wiser. How can you admonish that which 9 times out of 10 you're not even aware of?

It makes no sense.

I deplore all displays of public vulgarity.. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be so ignorant and bigoted as to say that I hate gay vulgarity more than straight vulgarity.

People who want to be vulgar and annoying are just that. Vulgar and annoying. Being gay means nothing more to that concept.

bothered

28 Jun '04, 1:30 pm

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Why don't you want them around your kids? Do you think homosexual couples are anymore vulgar than heterosexual couples
Yes.I don't really want public displays of any, but unnatural = more vulgar to me.

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But I'll be damned if I'm going to be so ignorant and bigoted as to say that I hate gay vulgarity more than straight vulgarity.

I don't think it's ignorant or bigoted, just a differant view. I was approched twice as a child by 'gays' never by a hetro woman. As a father of five that's how I feel.

Thrax

28 Jun '04, 1:36 pm

Alright. This is my single question:

How is it unnatural? Homosexuality is historically as old as heterosexuality.

GHoosdum

28 Jun '04, 1:44 pm

I was browsing the news and saw that this thread was 3 pages and was intrigued that there was so much interest in a Christian game studio. It never dawned on me (maybe because I'm so tired today) that the 3 pages would possibly be a debate about homosexuality... at any rate, I had actual interest in the content of this thread as described in the OP.

During the MBA program I consulted for a firm (a MoCap studio called iSeeSoft) that engages in a non-violent game philosopy. They made a game called World Dance. It was really boring, but definitely educational and non-violent. I thought to myself that iSeeSoft might benefit from a partnership with the Christian game studio this thread referred to.

And please, guys, why does every thread involving religion have to degenerate into a debate? Everybody's got their opinion on the topic, and in the vast majority of the cases, people just get pissed off by everyone voicing their opinions. People will hardly ever change their opinions on the topic, so what's the point in dragging it on for pages? That being said, I'm NOT going to voice my opinion on the topic. I will say that I am of the opinion that this debate should end since it will literally never get resolved in our lifetimes...

bothered

28 Jun '04, 1:52 pm

Thrax, I have nothing against gays, but, Male and Female is the design. I know it doesn't always work out like that, accidents of nature, gene variation, whatever you want to call it. I feel 'gayness' is almost promoted these days as being perfectly natural, if it is then it's only natural in the same way as any other 'disorder' is. If somebody is gay, fine, that may be natural for them, as stealing is for a kleptomaniac or drinking is for an alchoholic. Natural for them? yes, but not to me.
As for how old it is, it doesn't matter.

bothered

28 Jun '04, 1:55 pm

Ghoosdum, it's not a debate, it's an exchange of opinions.

GHoosdum

28 Jun '04, 1:58 pm

Quoting bothered

Ghoosdum, it's not a debate, it's an exchange of opinions.

Well then no wonder everybody's just stating their opinions!

GnomeWizardd

28 Jun '04, 2:03 pm

Actually I lived next too two Gay guys. Nice guys in the aspect they were quite and kept the house clean. But the wearing of the pink bunny slippers and the rainbow t-shirt to get the mail and the constant staring at me while I mowed the lawn or was in the pool with friends was almost to much sometimes. BUT in reaction the the theory " you are born gay not taught " I must oppose. I had a friend who was straight and I mean straight He loved women almost more than I do and when those two guys moved in by the time my friend was 18 he was turned towards gays cause he was " neglected " by girls. Thats what he said anyways.

Anywho Just wondering why Profdlp you call pentecostals pew jumpers? I am a member of a pentecostal Church and I've never see anyone attempt to jump one. ( maybe it's because if they tried they would fall and break a hip heh) I also graduated from a southern baptist High school and they were more wild sometimes than the pentecostals.

I also agree with bothered "Christian games? why not? Jewish, Muslim, Hindi games? Why not? It doesn't matter. If they sell there must be a market, if they don't they'll go bust and we'll move on."

Thats exactly what i feel. Cheers!

GHoosdum

28 Jun '04, 2:06 pm

There's definitely a market for 'child-safe' games of all types. Apparently blowing someone's head off in a game and seeing blood spurt out of the neck, or hacking a corpse apart with your combat knife, are things that parents don't want their kids doing on the computer...

Gargoyle

28 Jun '04, 2:09 pm

It seems like every week or so I have to refrain from defending my beliefs or someone else's. I keep leaving threads untouched because I know that it's ok as long as several people all bash something together, but as soon as someone voices an oppossing opinion it's a debate - which is largely frowned upon here.

Please people, if you have a beef with religion, keep it to yourself. I'm not beating you over the head with a Bible or a Tanakh or a Quaran.
It's only fair. It's only respect.

Al_Capown

28 Jun '04, 2:45 pm

Quoting Gnomewizardd

Actually I lived next too two Gay guys. Nice guys in the aspect they were quite and kept the house clean. But the wearing of the pink bunny slippers and the rainbow t-shirt to get the mail and the constant staring at me while I mowed the lawn or was in the pool with friends was almost to much sometimes. BUT in reaction the the theory " you are born gay not taught " I must oppose. I had a friend who was straight and I mean straight He loved women almost more than I do and when those two guys moved in by the time my friend was 18 he was turned towards gays cause he was " neglected " by girls. Thats what he said anyways.

Anywho Just wondering why Profdlp you call pentecostals pew jumpers? I am a member of a pentecostal Church and I've never see anyone attempt to jump one. ( maybe it's because if they tried they would fall and break a hip heh) I also graduated from a southern baptist High school and they were more wild sometimes than the pentecostals.

I also agree with bothered "Christian games? why not? Jewish, Muslim, Hindi games? Why not? It doesn't matter. If they sell there must be a market, if they don't they'll go bust and we'll move on."

Thats exactly what i feel. Cheers!

I don't think a difference of opinion is frowned upon I think what is frowned upon is the breakdown of those who are less mature in debates which ultimately leads to a flame war. Right now everyone has spoken and given their opinions, no one has lashed out at anyone so no cause for concern.

Like I said, I am only bashing religions that discriminate, disrespect, and take away civil rights. Any religion, interpreted lightly serves as an excellent way to shape your persona around. However it is the people who interpret god's word for well... god's word and don't dare to question the logic that upset me. For example, people who believe all of america is going to hell for eating meat on a friday.

As for Gnomewizardd,
I'm sure those 2 gay guys (who were probably in love with each other) checked you out all the time, just because gay people have a constant need to have the sex with the same gender. Did they snap polaroids of you or something? Not all gay guys, like other guys. The way you make it sound is that all of them are horny 24/7 and will take any male just to sleep with. They have the same amount of hormones as the rest of us guys. Are all straight guys all hot in the pants to sleep with Janet Reno just because she's a member of the opposite sex? No.

Just curious... when did you find out they were gay? And when did they start checking you out? I'm guessing you found out before they started right? And a glance turned into a sexual stare suddenly?

As for your friend. Did you disown him because he's gay? Are you going to let your kids see him? Was he a cool guy? When he turned gay was he suddenly not a cool guy?

I believe this discrimination is on the same level as the discrimination against blacks, hispanics, chinese that has been going on for the past hundreds if not thousands of years. Basically one person thinks they are better than the other race so they stereotype them and don't allow them to vote or own land. Because they are supposedly less human than god's superior white race. Now that someone is gay you see them as a filthy animal who simply wants to get you in bed? You don't get to meet the real person and understand how they are human because you're too afraid of their homosexuality.

The same thing happened with the slaves, they were considered to be animals because of their skin tone, but slowly people began to gain sympathy for them and realize that they too were human beings and not just animals.

Straight_Man

28 Jun '04, 2:54 pm

Gargoyle, I have to agree with you. There are two ways to keep peace in a tech forum. First, don't bring religion into it. Second, don't bring politics into it. there are other venues for both.

There's a third way, most do not follow that. There is an approach which I try to use:

I happen to have strong beliefs-- one of them is that God truely loves ALL people, not just a select few. But one of them is that others have a reight to believe as they do so long as they do nto restrict my right to believe as I believe. I do not have the right to get in folks' faces due to them being different, nor do they have thta right either. BUT, they have the right to believe as they do so long as they do not get radically in my face about it or take it to use of physical force or excessive punishment of me solely due to my beliefs if I am not punishing them.

So, I these days I think for 20-30 seconds to that many minutes before reacting to what appears to be an attack-- before I post. We all have different beliefs in detail, and we all have that right. We have the right to present ideas without being flamed, and to hopefully have others respect the right of presentation while they have same right. I could say "mellow out," and that is not an attack in intent given the words. to me it means look at the other side's reasons unspoken, and assume not intent to attack until that is proven. Then use appropriate venues to handle that-- in this case, perhaps the PM system or email can resolve lots of issues.

TheBaron

28 Jun '04, 3:21 pm

www.keyboardjockey.com

not that i dont like the debate, but it is a tech forum, as john_d pointed out

Zeni (Guest)

28 Jun '04, 7:17 pm

A lot of comments and barely any to do with the game studio itself, I find that amusing.

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